1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,360 A very forgotten and bizarre experience that happened during a moonlit walk more than 20 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:06,360 years ago. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,040 First time suddenly slipped away in the blink of an eye. 4 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:14,320 Then there were three bright orange lights in the sky. 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:15,320 Was it a trick? 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,320 A hallucination? 7 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,960 Well the questions went unanswered until Karen saw a recent sighting to report on alien 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,360 abduction and something about the story struck a resonant chord. 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:37,360 Memories of that moonlit night in 1975 were incomplete but strangely compelling. 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,160 An engaged couple on a family vacation steal away for a quiet drive through the north woods 11 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:44,600 of Wisconsin. 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,960 There's something strange about that ride that they can't figure out yet. 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,240 Back at the cabin the couple stroll down to the lake. 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,720 The night is clear, there's a bright star, but then it moves and they realize this is 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:59,720 no star. 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:06,720 There was one star-like object, it was a little bit brighter than a star, kind of an orangey 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,200 color that seemed to stand out from the others a bit. 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:16,600 It really didn't sit, think anything of it at the time, but my focus kept going back 19 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,040 and forth to that particular object. 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,360 And after a while I noticed some odd things about it. 21 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:30,080 This bright orange star that was along the horizon of the trees on the other side of 22 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:35,360 the lake zipped right to the top of our heads and we looked up. 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:40,720 The stargazing couple were Karen Klinger and Dennis Moroske and what they saw would haunt 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,440 them for more than 20 years. 25 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,840 I think the best way to describe the flight is like that of a dragonfly. 26 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:53,000 It was just, it would zip, pier, stop, zip, pier, stop, zip, zip, zip, zip really fast 27 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,000 and like what are we watching? 28 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,240 I had, I was fascinated by it, I just, I didn't want to stop looking at it, I was just glued 29 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:09,280 to it and we finally started calling my folks down from the cabin so they could watch and 30 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,080 my mother was a little scared. 31 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,120 The whole family got down to the lake in time to see the single light split into three, 32 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,160 and rejoin as one. 33 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:24,200 It was a fascinating spectacle that drove one family member to try something illogical. 34 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,560 Dennis' sister's boyfriend went into the house and got a large beam flashlight and 35 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,080 flashed at the UFOs three times. 36 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,000 Suddenly they just completely disappeared. 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,520 And about maybe a couple of seconds later they flashed back at us the same amount of 38 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,200 times as we had flashed at it. 39 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:48,840 After a few minutes of this strange communication everyone reached the same impossible conclusion. 40 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:54,400 By this time we knew we were watching something that we had no explanation for, it was really 41 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,120 strange and definitely appeared to be intelligently controlled. 42 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,080 The bizarre communication went on for half an hour. 43 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:06,240 Then in less than the blink of an eye the UFO was gone. 44 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,960 The encounter had a profound effect but Karen and Dennis wouldn't know just how profound 45 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,600 were another two decades. 46 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,120 By then they had married, had a son, and an acrimonious divorce. 47 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,680 In fact in 1994 they were barely speaking when Dennis and Karen met to exchange custody 48 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,680 of their son. 49 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,960 While this particular evening he got out of the car probably for the first time that 50 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:33,000 he'd talked to me face to face in a year and he knocks on the window of the car. 51 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,000 And the first thing that comes out of his mouth was have you ever considered hypnosis? 52 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,760 And I said to him I said you saw that program. 53 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,160 The program was sightings and our report on the abduction experience of four men camping 54 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,120 in the Alegash wilderness of northern Maine. 55 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,680 They too had seen a UFO in the sky. 56 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,800 Like Karen and Dennis they had used a flashlight to signal the spacecraft and most importantly 57 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:02,040 of all the Alegash four had missing time. 58 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,520 A roaring fire they had left just minutes before was now nearly out. 59 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,200 Karen and Dennis divorced and barely speaking watched the report in different homes but 60 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,600 had the same revelation at the same moment. 61 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,560 They too had had missing time. 62 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,400 Both Karen and I remembered the night of this incident that as we were driving around the 63 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:27,840 lake which is exactly a four mile radius, doesn't take very long to cover at all, that at one 64 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:35,520 point we looked up and the moon was directly in line with the rear view mirror of the car. 65 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:43,640 And by the time we got back to the lake which shouldn't have been very long, the moon was 66 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,880 setting. 67 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:51,120 It never occurred to me until that moment that there could possibly be some missing 68 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,200 time involved. 69 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,520 I felt sick. 70 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,840 I felt, I mean I literally felt nauseated at the thought of it. 71 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,640 But what happened during that missing time? 72 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,440 This asked Karen if she would consider hypnotherapy as a way to find the answer. 73 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:11,080 I think that the nature of a repressed memory is that there is no conscious access to this 74 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,080 memory. 75 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:17,000 It's not something that somebody remembers once or occasionally and then sticks back 76 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,240 in a locked vault someplace in their mind. 77 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,440 Dr. David Clayton agreed to hypnotize Karen. 78 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,280 He had no faith in the abduction experience but as he worked with Karen he realized that 79 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:34,120 she was not unlike other patients who he'd seen relive past trauma under hypnosis. 80 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:40,920 Karen was recalling a very intense white light that approached the vehicle that she and her 81 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,160 former husband were in at the time. 82 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,200 And when this white light approached the side of the vehicle it was so intense I think 83 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,320 Karen at that point felt that she had fainted. 84 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:58,240 Under Dr. Clayton's watchful eye Karen revealed traumatic contact with extraterrestrial beings. 85 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Something Dennis couldn't or wouldn't recall. 86 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,960 But their descriptions of the craft were nearly identical. 87 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,720 We compared notes later. 88 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,400 They corroborated very closely with some of the points that Karen had brought up under 89 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,400 hers. 90 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,280 We both got these images of a grid-like pattern. 91 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:19,640 Almost a primitive type structure, almost like a dirigible or something. 92 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,040 Independently Karen and Dennis insisted that the purpose of the abduction was not to hurt 93 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,880 them but to help all humankind. 94 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,000 They each felt compelled to deliver the same message. 95 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,680 The fate of Earth is intertwined with alien worlds throughout the cosmos and earthlings 96 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,200 are not doing a good job of taking care of our part of the universe. 97 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,240 It's a message that abduction support group leader Mary Kerfoot hears a lot. 98 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:51,680 As far as the phenomenon in general some people's experiences can truly be described as abductions. 99 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,800 They are taken kicking and screaming, struggling against their will. 100 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:04,880 Others evolve over time as they understand what is happening to come very cooperatively 101 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:12,120 and become associated with the beings that they're working with in a participatory role. 102 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:18,000 The Chicago Center for Encounters support group was formed in 1993, so abductees and 103 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,920 experiencers would know that they are not alone. 104 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:27,320 It's enormously exciting for the members of our support group to compare experiences 105 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:34,600 because as soon as you find someone who has some aspect that is similar exactly like yours, 106 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,960 you feel much more validated. 107 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:42,800 At first, abductees were pariahs, oddballs, inventing a new mythology. 108 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,760 But after three decades, the phenomenon is not going away because abductees insist alien 109 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,760 contact is a reality. 110 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:55,200 If you feel that this has happened to you, by all means do whatever it takes to uncover 111 00:07:55,200 --> 00:08:01,480 the information because it's worth the risk. 112 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,840 Just as she was reassured after watching our Allagash Abduction Report, Karen Klinger hopes 113 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,680 that her personal story will encourage more people to come forward or at least to seek 114 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,600 help from a certified professional hypnotherapist or from one of the hundreds of support groups 115 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,600 forming around the world.